On a recent trekking trip in Nepal, a friend gave me some pretty weird news: at night, I would alternate between hyperventilating and holding my breath in my sleep. I guess when you ‘sleep for a living’ (i.e. work for Zeo), it’s a little harder to get away from talking about stuff related to work.
Keeping a Positive Altitude
After a couple of days in Kathmandu (the capital of Nepal), I started hiking in the Mt. Everest region – from Lukla (elevation 9,380 ft) to Gokyo Ri (elevation 17,600 feet). I hadn’t done too much hiking at that altitude, so I wasn’t sure what I was in for. The first few days were great, with spectacular views, friendly people, and no problems with altitude.
Things got tougher four nights and roughly 12,000 feet into the trip – I had a headache, and only slept from about 3am to 6am. The next morning, my friend told me about my strange nighttime breathing (and breath-holding)…
Don’t Hold Your Breath
After a few nights like this (with a bit more total sleep), a met a doctor from New Zealand in a small town called Machermo (13,500 feet). We wound up in a long conversation about what was happening to me at night – which apparently is called periodic breathing. Here I was, 7,500 miles from home, having a conversation about sleep. It turns out periodic breathing is actually fairly common at altitudes above 10,000 feet.
Here’s a quick summary of what I learned about periodic breathing:
- High altitude = not much oxygen. And my body tried to compensate by breathing faster (hyperventilating).
- Hypverventilating = low CO2 levels. This decreased level of CO2 indicated to my body that I didn’t need to breathe, causing my breathing to slow dramatically and even stop.
- Stop breathing = not much oxygen. As oxygen levels in my blood began to drop (because I wasn’t breathing), the whole process would start all over again.
Interestingly, my periodic breathing experience seemed pretty similar to sleep apnea. Just like apnea, periodic breathing caused me to stop breathing for extended periods of time at night. It certainly affected my sleep – leaving me groggy and slow the next day.
Feet Back on the Ground
Unfortunately, I didn’t bring Zeo with me on my trip – extra weight on a hike like this, not to mention the lack of electricity in remote places, meant it stayed behind. In the end, though, it would have been nice to have my Zeo. It would have been fascinating to look at my sleep at altitude with periodic breathing, and contrast it to my typical night’s sleep.
All in all, an amazing trip, and a great opportunity to learn a little more about sleep.
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Andrew “Moose” Schwartz is an Associate Brand Manager at Zeo. When not trekking around the world, he’s making sure that Zeo offers the best products and services possible to our customers.
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You suggested that your experience ‘seemed pretty similar to sleep apnea.’ In fact what you where experiencing was high altitude-induced central sleep apnea! Do a Google on it to learn more.
You can probably now tell from that short experience why people with nightly apnea eventually become very sick. Unfortunately even if you had had your Zeo with you I don’t believe that you would likely have been able to detect any sign of your periodic breathing and resultant centrals. The Zeos design decision to not record short awakenings precludes it… There might be some alteration of sleep architecture but its unlikely what you would have seen the awakens from the apneas as they tend to be very brief.
James – thanks for pointing me towards high altitude-induced central sleep apnea. The whole experience was certainly eye-opening for me, and a bit unnerving. You’re right that Zeo isn’t designed to show very short awakenings, so I wouldn’t have seen those even if I had lugged my Zeo all the way up the mountain…although I certainly felt like my sleep was much less restful, so I wonder if I was getting less Deep or REM. Maybe I’ll just have to go back to find out!
In general, both obstructive and central apnea tend to reduce the amount of Deep and/or REM that a person gets. Each time that an arousal happens, as a result of the apnea, the person is pulled back into the lighter stages of sleep and the normal sleep cycle is broken.
Being a Brand Manager, your trip may have uncovered the need of a battery option in the ZEO??
Does anyone use the Zeo for several different family members?
I have 2 known problems with my sleep. I have Fibromyalgia. with severe skin hypersensitivity & sleep apnea. This problem extends to sheets, bedding, clothes.I also have severe chronic pain due to a injury to my neck. My C5-C6 disc was shattered & minimal nerve damage that with time has gotten worse. My neurologist has told me unless I can control the pain I can forget normal sleep. I am on heavy pain medication to make it through the day & Ambien to get some sleep. I don’t want to increase my pain medication and Ambien so far is the only sleep medication that can put me to sleep for a short time.until I have pain breakthrough. Sleep apnea is another pain in the keaster. I can’t find a mask that I can tolerate – I didn’t have insurance for a long time so I had to pay out of pocket for any health care needs. Now I have insurance I’m on to the problem pre-existing condition loophole. I have gone from 3 hrs of sleep to 4 hrs sleep so there has been some success & I feel good about the progress. The only thing have a question is: Why when I have very little REM & Deep sleep I feel better & more alert that when I have more of those sleep stages. Less sleep seem better than more sleep. Why?
BTW there is a difference in my sleep in high altitude. I seem to have a good deal rapid shallow breathing so that when I breath normal people think I have stop breathing all together. When I was in the Alps I got very tired of being drug out of bed & try to do CPR on me when I was enjoying a good dream.
I have a question… I have moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea…i got the CPAP and had a corrective surgery (UPPP) …still not getting almost any sleep and also got insomnia…will this product Zeo help me at all…i am not overweight and i am only 30 years old…?!?!?
Hi Juan –
Thanks for your interest in Zeo. As you’re probably aware, Zeo is not a medical device, and is not intended to diagnose or treat any medical conditions. That being said, Zeo is designed to help you discover how the things that you do during the day may be affecting how you sleep. I think the best explanation came from a Zeo user who recently posted on our Facebook wall:
“Although the Zeo cannot do anything about my Sleep Apnea, I find it a great tool in analyzing the type of sleep I am getting and how implementing a certain lifestyle change, such as drinking less coffee or exercising, might help to combat my sleep apnea and improve the quality of my rest.” (http://bit.ly/8y5Sju)
We’re truly passionate about the power of sleep data to help people achieve a better night’s rest – and that’s what Zeo is all about.